From: "John A. Kingman" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 15:42:37 -0600 Subject: Item #309: OFWG Minutes 01/16/95 P1275 Open Firmware Working Group Proposal -- Proposal #309 Ver Title: Minutes of Open Firmware Working Group meeting on 01/16/95 Author: John Kingman Date: January 24, 1996 Dear IEEE 1275-1994 Working Group members, Attached please find the minutes of our last meeting on 01/16/95 at Motorola, Austin, TX. Thanks to Kip McClanahan for making the arrangements. Also please note that: (1) our next meeting will be on March 5-6th at Apple Cupertino, CA, and (2) check the "Action Item Summary" at the end of this note for your action items. As per Agenda Item #7, the Open Firmware Working Group now has a new secretary, John Kingman. John is a Senior Software Engineer in the RISC System/6000 Division of IBM in Austin, Texas. John has been involved with PowerPC based systems and related architectures, including PReP and CHRP from the beginnings of these efforts. Thanks to Luan Nguyen for preparing the first portion of these minutes. I hope we can make the secretarial transition without any major disruptions. Regards, John Kingman, Secretary Open Firmware Working Group kingman@austin.ibm.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1- Attendees Mitch Bradley FirmWorks/President (415)961-1302 wmb@firmworks.com Chairman Open Firmware Working Group David M. Kahn Sun Microsystems (415)336-2784 dmk@Eng.Sun.Com Vice Chairman Open Firmware Working Group John Kingman IBM RSD Architecture(512)838-1546 kingman@austin.ibm.com Secretary Open Firmware Working Group Luan Nguyen IBM IMD Arch. (512)838-1292 duyluan@austin.ibm.com Ron Hochsprung Apple/Sys. Arch. (408)974-2661 ron@apple.com Mike Segapeli IBM RSD Firmware (512)838-8428 mikes@austin.ibm.com Jordan Brown Sunsoft (310)348-6039 jordan.brown@west.sun.com Chris M Bellman Adaptec, Inc. (408)945-8600 cbellman@corp.adpatec.com Kip McClanahan Motorola MMTG (512)891-6525 kip-mcclanahan@risc.sps.mot.com Satoru Mamiya FirePower Systems (415)462-3009 mamiya@Firepower.com Matt Hill Sun (415)786-5321 matt.hill@sun.com Jim Wooldridge IBM (206)803-5804 jwooldridge@austin.ibm.com Rick Foos Motorola (512)891-3084 rfoos@ntgate.sps.moto.com John Southard Motorola (512)891-6236 southard@ntgate.sps.mot.com Judy Ho Motorola (512)891-6325 judyh@ntgate.sps.mot.com Bruce Rosenkrantz Motorola (602)345-7128 brosen@phx.mcd.mot.com Eric Rainbolt Motorola (512)891-7210 eric_rainbolt@risc.sps.mot.com 2- Review Agenda Proposed agenda was reviewed and approved 9-0-0 with the following changes: (1) Add "Administrative Trivia" after "10:15AM Future meetings", and (2) Move "ISA/EISA/ISA PNP" document review up to right after lunch. 3- Last meeting minutes review Vote passed to approve the last meeting minutes (9-0-0) with the following changes: (1) Add in section #6 "Future Meetings" specifying meetings on March 5 and March 6, 1996 at Apple Cupertino to be hosted by Ron Hochsprung, and (2) Strike "Jordan against" comment in section #14. 4- Standard Progress Report 1275.3: Per Mitch, to be verified with David Paktor, this .3 went thru the balloting process but we did not get enough responses. David Paktor had tried to address some comments from responses with a new version of this document. We are waiting for Tracy Hallock, the new owner of this document, from Motorola to step up and move this document forward. 1275.4: Per Mitch, to be verified with Martin, this .4 passed RevCom and is now in the IEEE editing phase. The committee agreed that we will continue work with the IEEE to review the draft and this .4 will be drop from future agenda. 5- Action Items Review The following AIs are still opened: * Mitch: to follow up TI patent issue with Harrison Beasley. This is CLOSED (no way to resolve with Harrison Beasley). * Ron: to check on TI licensing/royalty on NuBus that may provide a path to solve this patent issue. * All authors/editors of each "recommended practice" documents have action item to update the document template and its contents per discussion. * Mitch Bradley: encapsulate #251 to recommended practice document. * David Kahn: Standard properties document. * David Kahn/Mitch: report on 64-bit experimental work. * Ron/David Kahn/Greg/Jordan: work on "reg"/"assigned-addresses"/base address registers in the PCI binding. * Jordan/Lilian to work on names, unit-address... in ISA binding 6- Future Meetings Mar 5 - 6, 1996: Apple Computer, Cupertino, CA Host: Ron Hochsprung Apr 30 - May 1, 1996: IBM, Austin, TX Host: John Kingman June 18 - 19, 1996: Firmworks, Mountain View, CA Host: Mitch Bradley Directions to Firmworks available on http://www.firmworks.com NOTE for June meeting: June 18,19 is a tentative date, Mitch to check availability. Alternate date is June 24, 25. 7- Administrative Trivia Luan announced that he would like to resign from being the IEEE 1275 committee's due to his new IBM assignment. He also nominated John Kingman to be the new secretary. The committee votes uninamously to appoint John to this position. With the request from the chair person, the committee officially recognized Luan's contribution this IEEE standard. The committee requested Luan to perform the secretary functions during this meeting until he has to leave and John to take it over when he leaves. 8- ISA/EISA/ISA PNP binding The committee reviewed changes made in the version 0.05 dated October 11, 1995 and resolved all 27 input from IBM AIX except item #18 which is tabled for the next review. Bob Coffin also agreed to take over the responsibility to be the owner/editor of this document from Luan Nguyen. Based on the input of the committee, Bob will update this version accordingly and put it on our Web page for future review. 9- Proposal Status: 291: Accepted as ammended 8-1-1 If the default mode is -1, a suitable default is chosen: if i/o: w=1, i=1, g=1, pp=10 if mem: g=1, pp=10 Strike the second paragraph. The third paragraph is noted for a future revision of errata (current errata is closed.) 294: Passed/Ammended 7-0-2 XCTL -> xctl DMA -> dma underscores -> spaces Change english text to verb first (i.e. 'enable interrupt') 295: Tabled: The committee decided to document a device's capabilities, and not document the current setting of the device. Since the proposal documents 'current settings' rather than capabilities, this was tabled as we anxiously await a revised proposal from the submitter. 296: Accepted as ammended 9-0-0 The editor is directed to use proper normative language. ... passed to _write_ or returned from _read_ Change "signed" to "unsigned". Delete the stanza deleting the properties. Delete the stanza deleting the 'read' method. ... for subsequent reads and/or writes. ... in the definition of "read" and "write" ... 297: Accepted as ammended: Add 'size' method with wording to be specified by the editor. (Some manu. specific areas may be excluded from 'size', the area is not available.) 298: Remand to binding committee 299: Remand to binding committee 300: Closed/Withdrawn by author 301: Remand to binding committee 302: Remand to binding committee 303: Passed/Ammended 9-0-1: Add an FCode driver example note to the PCI binding (to be supplied by Mitch). 304: Closed/Withdrawn by author (See #305) 305: Closed/Handled by the binding committee (see binding committee minutes) 10- Action Items Summary Old AIs left: See section 5 on Action Items Review in this note New AIs: * Mitch Bradley: - Check on June meeting dates - work on tristatable bit - work on map-in * Jordan Brown: - work on PCI "reg" address resolution - reorganize discussion of probing in ISA binding - Suggest wording for IRQ 2 vs 9 - Add size method for NVRAM - edit sound stuff * Ron Hochsprung - update ranges properties and usage in PCI binding [ P1275 Item #309 -- Received: Wed Jan 24 13:40:25 PST 1996 ]