From: kingman@austin.ibm.com (Kingman) Subject: Item #387: Administrative: OFWG Minutes for August Meeting Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:19:36 -0500 (CDT) P1275 Open Firmware Working Group Proposal -- Proposal #387 Ver Title: Minutes of August Open Firmware Working Group meeting Author: John Kingman Date: August 22, 1996 Attached please find the minutes of our last meeting held August 13, and August 14, 1996 at Apple, Cupertino, CA. Thanks to Ron for making the arrangements. Also please note that: (1) our next meeting will be at Motorola in Tempe, AZ, on October 8-9, 1996 and (2) check the "Action Item Summary" at the end of this note for your action items. Regards, John Kingman, Secretary Open Firmware Working Group kingman@austin.ibm.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1- Attendees ========= John Kingman IBM RS/6000 Div. 512-838-1546 kingman@austin.ibm.com Secretary OFWG Chris Bellman Adaptec 408-945-8600 cbellman@corp.adaptec.com Jordan Brown Sunsoft 310-348-6039 jordan.brown@west.sun.com Greg Hill Firmworks 415-917-6985 GREGH@FIRMWORKS.COM Ron Hochsprung Apple/Sys. Arch. 408-974-2661 ron@apple.com John Hall Sun 415-786-6927 JDHall@eng.sun.com Bob Coffin IBM 512-838-8240 coffin@vnet.ibm.com John Dickol IBM 512-838-6005 dickol@vnet.ibm.com Thomas J. Merritt CodeGen 415-346-8762 tjm@cgt.com David Paktor Sun 408-774-8306 Paktor@SUN.com Ping Lee Apple 408-974-6956 pingl@apple.com First time attendees: Chris Maloney Motorola 602-437-6716 CMaloney@phx.mcd.mot.com Michael Milendorf Sun 508-442-0803 michael.milendorf@ east.sun.com Part time attendees: Conrad Minshall Apple 408-252-3377 conrad@apple.com Mitch Bradley Firmworks 415-917-6984 wmb@firmworks.com 2- Review Agenda ============= Proposed agenda (#386) was reviewed and approved unanimously with right of revision to the Secretary. 3- Administrative/Procedural items =============================== None raised. 4- Last meeting minutes review =========================== Voted to approve the minutes of the meeting of June 25, 1996 (#356) (unanimous) 5- Future Meetings =============== October 8 - 9, 1996 Motorola, Tempe, AZ Host: Rob Baxter January 14 - 15, 1997 TBD, Salt Lake City, UT (?) Host: David Kahn to arrange March 4 - 5, 1997 IBM, Austin, TX Host: John Dickol 6- Standard Progress Report ======================== No new status. 7- Action Items Review =================== -2- open - skip -4- open - no change -6- closed - new PCI binding available -11- open - no change -12- open - no change -26- open - no change 8- Other Pending/Tabled items ========================== #250 (Email balloting procedure) -- open - skip #322 (Forth source and FCode image support) -- open - no change #323b (change to *output* definition) -- withdrawn, JB to make a proposal with new wording. #336 (posting of Generic Names 1.1) -- closed - superceded 9- New Proposal Status summary =========================== #369 -- (PCI) Approved #370 -- (64-bit) Open, tabled #374 -- (Minutes) Closed, Accepted #375 -- (SCSI-3 Parallel) Tabled #376 -- (CHRP) Remanded to subcommittee #377 -- (CHRP) Remanded to subcommittee #378 -- (TFTP) Approved as amended #379 -- (TFTP) Approved as amended #380 -- (PCI) Approved as amended #381 -- (PC kbmc) Approved #382 -- (PC kbd) Approved as amended #383 -- (base) Withdrawn #384 -- (PC serial) Approved as amended #386 -- (Agenda) Closed, Accepted 10- Document Reviews (including associated proposals, if any) ================ PCI Binding ----------- Revision 2.0 #369 (available property for bus nodes) -- approved unanimously #380 (Include pci class code string in 'compatible') -- approved as amended unanimously Amendments: - form of name shall be "pciclass,NNNNNN" - NNNNNN shall be lower case hex including leading zeroes. - delete the last sentence of the paragraph Editor directed to create Approved Version 2.1 11-0-0 TFTP Booting Recommended Practice --------------------------------- Version 0.7 #378 (Property Values) -- approved as amended Amendments: - delete "15pin" wherever it occurs - update fddi connectors #379 (Open Argument values) -- approved as amended (1 abstension) Amendments: - change target document to DSE (add Network section) - move section 5 from TFTP to DSE Base ---- #383 (clarifications on MEMORY-TEST-SUITE and MASK) -- withdrawn by author; author to submit a clarification. Comments: - memory-test-suite may not work for PCI memory on a big endian platform. Need statements somewhere about situations in which memory-test-suite is likely not to work and guidance for making an endian independent memory-test-suite. AI for WMB/DMK to take a to look at 64-bit MASK SCSCI-3 Parallel Interface Binding ---------------------------------- #375 (proposal of Draft 1) -- Tabled - The attendees wished to defer discussion until Mitch Bradley and/or David Kahn were present. PC keyboard/mouse controller binding ------------------------------------ #381 (proposal of Version 0.3) -- approved The editor is directed to produce Approved Version 1.0 PC keyboard binding ------------------- #382 (proposal of Version 0.3) -- approved with amendments Amendments: - fix [3] "???" - fix "??" at XT keyboard in section 4 - add references for ANSI/ISO - mention "Windows 95" keyboard in section 5 - section 6 -- delete bracketed text -- "none" for now - end of 7.2.1 delete "or empty" - 7.2.2 keyboard indicators should match - copy abort sequence from DSE to this doc. - specify open arguments - Move list of layouts in 7.1.2 to an appendix/registry. The editor is directed to produce Approved Version 1.0 PC Serial Port Device Binding ----------------------------- #384 (proposal of Version 0.99) -- approved with amendments 10-0-1 Amendments: - move 7.2 contents to DSE - strike bracketed note at 9.1 - 9.1 last para -- change "devices which are" to "devices that are" - change "pnp500's" to "may" instead of "should" The editor is directed to produce Approved Version 1.0 11- Action Items Summary ==================== The following AIs are still open: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | No.|Who |Description | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 2 |Editors of |Update document template and contents per discussion. | | |Recommended | | | |Practice | | | |documents | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 4 |Greg H. |Standard properties document. | | |John H. | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 11 |Jordan B. |Reorganize discussion of probing in ISA binding | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 12 |Jordan B. |Suggest wording for IRQ 2 vs 9 | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 26 |David K. |Meeting details for January | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- New AIs: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | No.|Who |Description | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 27 |Jordan B. |Propose replacement for #323b (withdrawn) | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 28 |Ron H. |Make a proposal for PCI hot plug | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 29 |Mitch B. |Do we need to clarify MASK in 64-bit mode for | | |David K. |(mem-test-suite)? | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 30 |Jordan B. |Make a proposal for a registry for lists of supported | | | |things (e.g., keyboards, network types, etc.) | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: Attendees ========= John Kingman IBM RSD 512-838-1546 kingman@austin.ibm.com Ron Hochsprung Apple/Sys. Arch. 408-974-2661 ron@apple.com Bob Coffin IBM 512-838-8240 coffin@vnet.ibm.com Greg Hill Firmworks 415-917-6985 GREGH@FIRMWORKS.COM Jordan Brown Sunsoft 310-348-6039 jordan.brown@west.sun.com John Dickol IBM 512-838-6005 dickol@vnet.ibm.com Ping Lee Apple 408-974-6956 pingl@apple.com David Paktor Sun 408-774-8306 Paktor@SUN.com Chris Maloney Motorola 602-437-6716 CMaloney@phx.mcd.mot.com Michael Milendorf Sun 508-442-0803 michael.milendorf@ east.sun.com Review Agenda ============= Agenda: - establish quorum - review minutes - review AIs - review documents and proposals Establish Quorum ================ Quorum established Review minutes of last meeting ============================== Voted to approve the minutes of the subcommittee meeting of June 26, 1996 (#374). (unanimous) Action Item Review ================== -S2- Open - no change. -S4- Open - no change. -S5- Open - no change. -S8- Open - no change. -S9- Closed - Item #330 rejected for lack of rationale -S10- Closed - New PreP binding available. -S11- Closed - New Generic Names RP available. -S12- Closed - New 8042 device binding available. -S13- Closed - New serial device binding available. -S14- Closed - Jordan unable to come up with a "name" convention for superio chips. Review Documents and Proposals ============================== Device Support Extensions version 0.7, 0.7+ ------------------------------------------- #350 ("sound" device properties) (proposal was previously tabled) - Discussion of sample-frame-sizes RC and JB to resolve - Missing sample rate (8 KHz) - possibly add a figure to help (AI for JB) Serial -- check about what "Not supported" means Network -- added section (0.7+) - Say something about passing unrecognized parms to TFTP (Open arguments, etc., check with MB) - Add in section 9 what you read and write (GH AI) - add network to 13 (/aliases) Produce 0.8 for next meeting CHRP Device bindings version 1.0 -------------------------------- #359 (proposal for CHRP device bindings) -- Closed administratively - proposals to review individual bindings will be submitted, as appropriate. #361 (CHRP 8259: add "reserved-interrupts" property) -- withdrawn by author - updated binding to be submitted Generic Names Version 1.2 ------------------------- Suggested changes: - Update section 3 - names and "shall" in guideline 2 - Move section 6 info to PCI binding - Make section 7 "(Informative)" line 46 insert "if" before "software" line 55 "identity" misspelled Produce 1.3 for next meeting ISA/EISA/ISA-PnP Binding Version 0.3 ------------------------------------ Suggested changes: - Add slot-index as a child property to be used with slot-names - Update compatible as follows to include the "FFF" to denote which logical function this node is related to. 1a) If the device has multiple logical devices: pnpVVV,PPPP,FFF where VVV,PPPP is the PnP vendor ID for the card FFF is the number of the logical device with 0 denoting the first logical device, 1 denoting the second, and so on. 1b) If the device has only a single logical device: pnpVVV,PPPP where VVV,PPPP is the PnP vendor ID for the card 2) If a logical device ID is supplied: pnpVVV,PPPP where VVV,PPPP is the PnP logical device ID. 3) If one or more PnP "compatible ID" record is supplied, then for each record in order: pnpVVV,PPPP where VVV,PPPP is the PnP compatible ID. - page 16, line 9 spelling of "encode" Produce 0.4 for next meeting CHRP System Binding ------------------- #357 (Revision 1.5 posting) -- closed administratively #360 (Genericize Open PIC controller name) -- withdrawn by author (included in latest revision) #376 (chosen nvram) -- approved as amended: - add to the note in DSE that the size returned by the size method will be the platform defined nvram size. OF/OS should only address nvram from 0 up to this size-1. #377 (internal (dummy) nodes) -- approved as amended: - change to "internal" to "reserved" - add device_type of reserved Revision 1.6 Suggested changes: - delete lines 13-21 on page 32 - change "property" to "node" on line 30 - Make ICU "should" instead of "shall" -- may need an ACR - PE format discussion (16MB is new req.) -- may need an ACR - add "encode-unit" and "decode-unit" to Section 5.1.3.2 (ROM Node Methods) and include arguments for "set-args" - clarify Section 5.1.4.1 (ROM Child Node Properties) that "reg" specifies the ROM base address and length. Produce 1.7 (Approved Version) for next meeting Interrupt Mapping Recommended Practice Version 0.9 -------------------------------------------------- Suggested change: - Note that if the "interrupt-map" property is absent for an interrupt parent node that the identity map is to be used. Produce 1.0 (Approved Version) for next meeting Action Items Summary ==================== Old AIs still open: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | No.|Who |Description | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S2 |Ron H. | Update and create v1.1 Forth and FCode Rec Practice | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S4 |Bob C. | Make "shared-bus-master" proposal | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S5 |Ron H. | Make "chording" (keyboard) proposal | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S8 |Mitch B. | Propose that debug facilities not be supported | | | | in real-mode. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- New AIs: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | No.|Who |Description | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S14|Jordan B. | Create a picture to explain sound device terminology.| |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S15|Greg H. | Provide material for TFTP section 9 describing what | | | | is read and written | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S16|Bob C. | Migrate PReP source to playground | | |Jordan B. | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S17|Bob C. | Resolve sample-frame-sizes description | | |Jordan B. | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [ P1275 Item #387 -- Received: Thu Aug 22 13:18:36 PDT 1996 ]