From: kingman@austin.ibm.com (Kingman) Subject: Item #393: Administrative: OFWG Minutes for October Meeting Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:48:09 -0500 (CDT) P1275 Open Firmware Working Group Proposal -- Proposal #393 Ver Title: Minutes of October Open Firmware Working Group meeting Author: John Kingman Date: October 14, 1996 Attached please find the minutes of our last meeting held October 8, and October 9, 1996 at Motorola, Tempe, AZ. Thanks to Chris Maloney for making the arrangements. Also please note that: (1) our next meeting is planned for the Marriott in Salt Lake City, UT, on January 13-14, 1997 and (2) check the "Action Item Summary" at the end of this note for your action items. Regards, John Kingman, Secretary Open Firmware Working Group kingman@austin.ibm.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1- Attendees ========= David M. Kahn Sun Microsystems 415-336-2784 dmk@Eng.Sun.Com Vice Chairman Open Firmware Working Group John Kingman IBM RS/6000 Div. 512-838-1546 kingman@austin.ibm.com Secretary OFWG Chris Maloney Motorola 602-437-6716 CMaloney@phx.mcd.mot.com Chris Bellman Adaptec 408-945-8600 cbellman@corp.adaptec.com Greg Hill Firmworks 415-917-6985 GREGH@FIRMWORKS.COM Ron Hochsprung Apple/Sys. Arch. 408-974-2661 ron@apple.com Bob Coffin IBM 512-838-8240 coffin@vnet.ibm.com Bruce Rosenkrantz Motorola 602-438-3745 brosen@phx.mcd.mot.com First time attendees: Randy Leberknight Motorola 602-438-3275 RandyL@phx.mcd.mot.com Part time attendees: Mitch Bradley FirmWorks 415-961-1302 wmb@firmworks.com Chairman Open Firmware Working Group 2- Review Agenda ============= Quorum declared present (7) Proposed agenda (#392) was reviewed and approved unanimously with right of revision to the Vice Chair 3- Administrative/Procedural items =============================== We need a volunteer to take over as OFWG Secretary. 4- Last meeting minutes review =========================== Approved the minutes of the meeting of August 13, 1996 (#387) 5- Future Meetings =============== January 13 - 14, 1997 Marriott Hotel Salt Lake City, UT Host/contact: David Kahn dmk@Eng.Sun.Com Note that this will be a Monday/Tuesday session. David will be sending out more details via the OFWG e-mailing list. March 4 - 5, 1997 IBM Austin, TX Host/contact: John Dickol dickol@vnet.ibm.com May 20 - 21, 1997 Firmworks Mountain View, CA Host/contact: Greg Hill gregh@firmworks.com 6- Standard Progress Report ======================== Errata failed for lack of sufficient response. Please check the IEEE web site (www.ieee.org) for membership information so we can have a meaningful vote. (Computer Society membership is sufficient to make your ballot count.) 7- Action Items Review =================== -2- open -4- open -11- open -12- open -26- closed -27- open -28- open -29- open -30- open -S2- Open -S4- Open -S5- Open -S8- Open -S14- Closed -S15- Open -S16- Open -S17- Closed 8- Other Pending/Tabled items ========================== #250 (Email balloting procedure) -- open - skip #322 (Forth source and FCode image support) -- withdrawn by author #350 (sound) -- closed accepted as amended from prior meeting and incorporated in the DSE #370 (64-bit) -- passed with amendments #375 (SCSI-3 Parallel) -- open, moved to have author to produce draft document 9- New Proposal Status summary =========================== #387 (minutes) -- closed, accepted #388 (email balloting) -- withdrawn by author #389 (Stack diagram error) -- closed, approved unanimously #390 (Power PC) -- closed, approved unanimously with amendment to remove the memory reservation and to add a note that there used to be one. #391 (DSE) -- passed as amended #392 (Agenda) -- closed, accepted 10- Document Reviews (including associated proposals, if any) ================ Generic Names Version 1.3 ------------------------- Various places -- check for smart quotes vs plain. p. 3 -- ln 48, 51 wrong type font p. 4 -- ln 22, delete "under question" ln 25, space around comma p. 5 -- "fiber" should be "fibre" Moved to have editor produce an approved version. (unanimous) Device Support Extensions Version Version 0.8 --------------------------------------------- p. 9 -- ln 39, add "physical" before size ln 54/55 delete and add to prev sentence that the size is the amount available to the client. p. 11 -- ln 33, change note to a normative statement on pg 10 (tables) change "means" to "meaning" (or similar) ln 30/31 caps for rts, etc. ln 48 (table) [keep on one page] p. 12 -- ln 24, 27 bold "network" (also other places and other quoted strings and also check for smart quotes) ln 30 change "TFTP" to "obp-tftp" p. 13 -- ln 44 type font for "half" or "full" p. 14 -- space after E.6.3 p. 16 -- add "net" p. 16 -- remove Section 14. #391 amended as follows: (replace text in proposal) p. 13 -- add after line 49 "The aguments shown above must come first. The commas are only present if there is a following parameter." Move to produce 1.0 approved -- propose wording for network device on reflector first. (unanimous) 64 Bit Extensions, p1275.6/D5 ----------------------------- #370 (FCode32 Compatibility) - Add a normative statement. - add mask stuff ... Passed with amendments unanimously SCSI-3 Parallel Interface Binding ---------------------------------- #375 (proposal of Draft 1) - add in Section 3.1.1, "name" should be "scsi" if using generic names. Moved to have author to produce draft document (unanimous) Interrupt Mapping Recommended Practice Version 0.9 -------------------------------------------------- Discussion of use of device number/function number, etc. ISA/EISA/ISA-PnP Binding Version 0.4 ------------------------------------ p. var -- change "prop-name" to "property name" p. 12 -- ln 12, change ":" to "," -- ln 19, change "would be" to "are" (also p.16 ln16) p. 14 -- ln 19-46 change "should" to "shall" p. 16 -- ln 12-16 what is "ID number"? ln 25, delete last sentence Suggested that the editor make another pass and come back with 0.5 CHRP System Binding ------------------- p. 27 -- ln 15, "unit-len" is the length of the unit string (see page 181 of core for words). Check with Ron p. var -- smart quotes abound 11- Action Items Summary ==================== The following AIs are still open: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | No.|Who |Description | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 2 |Editors of |Update document template and contents per discussion. | | |Recommended | | | |Practice | | | |documents | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 4 |Greg H. |Standard properties document. | | |John H. | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 11 |Jordan B. |Reorganize discussion of probing in ISA binding | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 12 |Jordan B. |Suggest wording for IRQ 2 vs 9 | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 27 |Jordan B. |Propose replacement for #323b (withdrawn) | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 28 |Ron H. |Make a proposal for PCI hot plug | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 29 |Mitch B. |Do we need to clarify MASK in 64-bit mode for | | |David K. |(mem-test-suite)? | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 30 |Jordan B. |Make a proposal for a registry for lists of supported | | | |things (e.g., keyboards, network types, etc.) | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S2 |Ron H. | Update and create v1.1 Forth and FCode Rec Practice | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S4 |Bob C. | Make "shared-bus-master" proposal | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S5 |Ron H. | Make "chording" (keyboard) proposal | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S8 |Mitch B. | Propose that debug facilities not be supported | | | | in real-mode. | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S14|Jordan B. | Create a picture to explain sound device terminology.| |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S15|Greg H. | Provide material for TFTP section 9 describing what | | | | is read and written | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S16|Bob C. | Migrate PReP source to playground | | |Jordan B. | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 'Til we meet again... -- Rgds, _ _ / John A. Kingman | | ___ | |_ _ _ / IBM RS/6000 Division _| |/ . \| . || ' | / Kingman@austin.ibm.com \__/\___/|_|_||_|_| / or Kingman@cactus.org [ P1275 Item #393 -- Received: Mon Oct 14 08:47:17 PDT 1996 ]