Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 10:30:13 -0600 From: "Richard L. Arndt" Subject: Item #429: Minutes 11 Nov 97 OFWG P1275 Openboot Working Group Proposal -- Proposal #:429 Ver 1.0 Title: Minutes 11 Nov 97 OFWG Author: Richard L. Arndt Date: 13 Nov 1997 Ed/Tech: Administrative Synopsis: Minutes of the 11 Nov 1997 Open Firmware Working Group Meeting Firmworks Mountain View, Ca. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 0- Attendees (OFWG) ================= Richard Arndt IBM 512-838-8502 rlarndt@austin.ibm.com Mitch Bradley Firmworks 650-917-6984 wmb@firmworks.com Ron Hochsprung Apple/ 408-974-2661 ron@apple.com System Arch David Kahn Sun 650-786-6203 dmk@eng.sun.com Tarl Neustaedter Sun 978-442-0346 tarl@east.sun.com John Hall Apple 408-974-6862 jdhall@apple.com Chris Bellman Adaptec 408-945-8600 cbellman@corp.adaptec.com Randy Leberknight Motorola 602-438-3275 RandyL@phx.mcd.mot.com Mike Perry Firmworks 650-917-6986 perry@firmworks.com Jordan Brown Sun 310-348-6039 jordan.brown@west.sun.com John Rible Sand Piper 408-458-0399 jrible@sandpipers.com Technology Paul Thomas Sun 650-786-6388 paul.thomas@eng.sun.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1- Establish quorum & Voting rights ================================ A quorum was declared by the working group chair. 2- Review Agenda: ============== The agenda was approved with the chair reserving the right to reorder items to accommodate participants. 3- Approve Minutes of 15 July 1997 Meeting (Item # 422 ) ===================================================== Approved with the notation of typos. 4- Future Meetings: ================ The next meeting scheduled: Date Host Location ---- ------------- 10 Feb 1998 Firmworks Mountain View, CA. 12 May 1998 Firmworks Mountain View, CA. 5- Status of Action Items: ======================= Item# (See Summary at the end of the minutes for Description etc.) Action: 2 No specific action -- ongoing remains open 4 Closed due to lack of general interest 11 Closed due to lack of general interest 12 Closed due to lack of general interest 27 To be investigated -- remains open 28 Closed due to lack of general interest 30 Closed due to lack of general interest 32 Completed -- Closed 33 Continued -- remains open 34 Completed -- Closed 35 Continued -- remains open 36 Combined with #35 -- Closed 37 Continued -- remains open 38 Item # 428 see discussion below* -- remains open 39 Updates made -- republish to playground -- remains open 40 Continued -- remains open S2 Editor presented proposal after some wordsmithing, was authorized to submit "Forth Source & FCode Image Support" as an approved Recommended Practice. -- Closed S4 Closed due to lack of general interest S5 Closed due to lack of general interest S14 Closed due to lack of general interest S17 Closed due to lack of general interest * Item # 428 (which replaces #426) Firewire Binding The following changes were recommended to the author who will present a revised proposal to the next meeting. a) Power management should be handled with a _parallel_ node, with the unit offset to the CSR registers. This is similar to how superios are handled. b) Keep flat address space. c) Remove phy-b@ and phy-b!, they need not be exposed. d) Remove send-async* and recv-async*, need not be exposed. e) Remove reset flag clearing from get-nodeid. f) Remove get-nodeid and get-speed, add set-address(guid) This will set per-instance values, which are translated and kept up to date by parent. g) Change remote-xxx to remove addr.3 addr.hi. h) rename addr.lo...addr.hi into guid.hi, guid.lo, offset,hi, offset.lo i) Move error codes into separate note at top of section. Refer to 1394. j) Change name of child node to "unit". 6- New Proposals: ============== Item #424 (which supersedes #423) Boot Reply Packet Approved: Editor to revise document (Action Item# 41) Item #425 Normative fix of the informative "show-lun" method Approved: Editor of core erata to submit changes (Action Item #42) Item #427 USB binding ===================== The following changes were recommended, a subcommittee consisting of: David Kahn, Tarl Neustaedter, John Hall, and Jordan Brown was formed to rework the conceptual design and post the working draft to playground for implementation. a) Delete root hub b) delete device type c) Change combined node creation criteria to DC=0 or =9, and eliminate requirement #4 for hub. This means most devices will qualify as combined nodes. Relocate paragraph to section 3.4. 7- Action Items Summary: ===================== |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | No.|Who |Description |Status| |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 2 |Editors of |Update document template and contents per | Open | | |Recommended |discussion. | | | |Practice | | | | |documents | | | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 4 |Greg H. |Standard properties document. |Closed| | |John H. | | | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 11 |Jordan B. |Reorganize discussion of probing in ISA binding|Closed| |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 12 |Jordan B. |Suggest wording for IRQ 2 vs 9 ISA binding |Closed| |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 27 |Jordan B. |Propose replacement for #323b (withdrawn) | Open | |--- |------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 28 |Ron H. |Make a proposal for PCI 'hot plug'. |Closed| |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 30 |Jordan B. |Make a proposal for a registry for lists of |Closed| | | |supported things. | | | | |(e.g.. kybds, network types, etc.) | | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 32 |David K. |Publish Item #404 |Closed| |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 33 |David P. |Propose display-modes property along with | Open | | |Mitch B. |set & read display modes methods | | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 34 |David K. |Publish Item #410 |Closed| |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 35 |Ron H. |Create formal PCI-IDE device binding document | Open | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 36 |Ron H. |Proposal for correcting the limitations on the |Closed| | | |"reg" property entries specified in the PCI | Dup | | | |binding. | 35 | |--- |------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 37 |David P. |Modify "boilerplate" on VME bus binding. | Open | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 38 |Tarl N. |Create a formal 1394 binding | Open | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 39 |Richard A. |Update CHRP source to reflect item #419 | Open | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 40 |Ron H. |Update PCI source to reflect item #420 | Open | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 41 |Ron H. |Update PCI source to reflect item #424 | New | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| | 41 |Ron H. |Update Core Erata to reflect item #425 | New | |----|------------|-----------------------------------------------|------| Subcommittee Action Items: |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S2 |Ron H. | Update and create v1.1 Forth and FCode Rec |Closed| | | | Practice | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S4 |Richard A. | Make "shared-bus-master" proposal |Closed| | | | (Multi-initiator SCSI) | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S5 |Ron H. | Make "chording" proposal |Closed| |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S14|Jordan B. | Create a picture to explain sound device |Closed| | | | terminology. | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| |S17 |Ron H. |Regenerate a proposal for Mac OS HFS File |Closed| | |Bruce R. |system support. | | | |Richard A. | | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| |S18 |David K. |Rework proposal #427 for usb binding into a | New | | |Tarl N. |working draft for implementation | | | |John H. | | | | |Jordon B. | | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| [ P1275 Item #429 -- Received: Mon Nov 17 08:32:34 PST 1997 ]