From: kingman@austin.ibm.com (John Kingman) Subject: Item #329: OFWG Minutes 03/06/96 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:19:22 -0600 (CST) P1275 Open Firmware Working Group Proposal -- Proposal #329 Ver Title: Minutes of Open Firmware Working Group meeting on 03/05/1996 Author: John Kingman Date: March 5-6, 1996 Dear IEEE 1275-1994 Working Group members, Attached please find the minutes of our last meeting on March 5, 1996, at Apple, Cupertino, CA. Thanks to Ron Hochsprung for making the arrangements. Also please note that: (1) our next meeting will be on April 30-May 1st at IBM, Austin, TX, and (2) check the "Action Item Summary" at the end of this note for your action items. Regards, John Kingman, Secretary Open Firmware Working Group kingman@austin.ibm.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1- Attendees David M. Kahn Sun Microsystems 415-336-2784 dmk@Eng.Sun.Com Vice Chairman Open Firmware Working Group John Kingman IBM Risc System/6000 512-838-1546 kingman@austin.ibm.com Secretary Open Firmware Working Group Ron Hochsprung Apple/Sys. Arch. 408-974-2661 ron@apple.com Chris M Bellman Adaptec, Inc. 408-945-8600 cbellman@corp.adpatec.com Satoru Mamiya FirePower Systems 415-462-3009 mamiya@Firepower.com John Hall Sun Microsystems 415-786-6927 John.Hall@eng.sun.com John Dickol IBM 512-838-6005 dickol@vnet.ibm.com Bob Coffin IBM 512-838-8240 coffin@vnet.ibm.com Tuyen Tran BusLogic 408-492-9090 John Rible Quicksand 408-458-0399 jrible@quicksand.com Thomas J. Merritt CodeGen, Inc. 415-346-8762 tjm@cgt.com Parag Patel CodeGen, Inc. 408-370-7976 parag@cgt.com Greg Hill Firmworks 415-917-6985 GREGH@FIRMWORKS.COM David Paktor HAL 408-379-7000x1366 PAKTOR@HAL.COM 2- Review Agenda Proposed agenda was reviewed and approved unanimously. 3- Administrative/Procedural items -- Clarify status of and procedure for items remanded to a subcommittee to be returned to the working group. -- Ensure that the OFWG web pages reflect the policy that new business for the working group is posted in a timely manner. 4- Last meeting minutes review Voted to approve the minutes of the meeting of January 16, 1996. 5- Future Meetings Apr 30 - May 1, 1996: IBM, Austin, TX Host: John Kingman June 25 - 26, 1996: Firmworks, Mountain View, CA Host: Mitch Bradley Directions to Firmworks available on http://www.firmworks.com August 13 - 14, 1996: Apple Computer, Cupertino, CA Host: Ron Hochsprung 6- Standard Progress Report --- Closed --- 1275-1994: OF Core (Official IEEE Standard) 1275.1-1994: SPARC ISA (Official IEEE Standard) 1275.2-1994: SBus Bus Binding (Official IEEE Standard) p1275.4/d14 FB+ (Passed sponsor ballot, in editing, editor: Paula Kelty) Owner: p1275.5 68K (PAR Withdrawn by the working group) --- Open ----- p1275.3: VME (Sponsor ballot failed due to lack of response) David Paktor is trying to revise the PAR to limit the scope to VME-32, and exclude the VME-64 issues. Current State: Awaiting NESCOM review and approval. Owner: David Paktor p1275.6/d5: 64 Bit Extensions (Negative Ballots w.r.t. 32 bit compatibility) Owner: David Kahn p1275.a Errata to 1275-1994 (Core Errata), Sponsor Ballot, waiting formation of ballot body, at the IEEE and with Martin Walsh. Owner: David Kahn 7- Action Items Review The following AIs were deemed to be closed: 3, 8, 10, 13, and 16. See Section 11 for a summary of the currently open Action Items. 8- Other Pending/Tabled items #295 -- rejected by nearly unanimous vote; looking forward to seeing the replacement proposal. 9- Proposal Status: #295 -- closed; rejected (see above) #306 -- closed; remanded to subcommittee #307 -- closed; withdrawn #308 -- accepted as amended (see below) #309 -- closed; administratively #310 -- tabled; (see below) #311 -- accepted (see below) #312 -- closed; remanded to subcommittee #313 -- closed; remanded to subcommittee #314 -- accepted (see below) #315 -- closed; withdrawn, superceded by #317 #316 -- closed; withdrawn; superceded by #325 #317 -- closed; remanded to subcommittee #318 -- closed; withdrawn, superceded by #319 #319 -- closed; administratively #320 -- open; (see below) #321 -- open; (see below) #322 -- open; (see below) #323 -- open; to be continued (see below) #324 -- open; (see below) #325 -- closed; remanded to subcommittee 10- Document Reviews (including associated proposals, if any) PCI Binding Revision 1.65 Unapproved Draft #308 -- approved with amendments -- (10-0-0) Add wording to read back the cache-line-size register, if the value is zero, don't create the property. #310 -- tabled -- editor has action item to suggest new wording (AI21) #311 -- accepted as written; editor's discretion on wording update (10-0-0) #314 -- accepted as written; editor's discretion on wording update (10-0-0) #323 -- discussion to be continued; proposal split into two parts: a) Update PCI Binding 4.2.1 for non-relocatable PCI devices: Additional requirement on the close method of child devices: close( ) Disable fixed-address response by closing Memory space and I/O space and BusMaster enable bits in the command register. Use similar wording on p17, line 12. b) Create recommended practice for output devices (e.g. VGA) Recommended Practice: Interrupt Mapping - new, Revision 0.5 #321 -- discussion to be continued; Ron to update to handle interrupt "forests" ISA/EISA/ISA-PnP binding; Revision 0.1 DRAFT #320 -- to be continued; Bob to work with Jordan on PnP naming issues Recommended Practice: Generic Names - new, Version 1.0 DRAFT #251 and #324 -- to be continued; names assigned to PCI Class codes; added to list on p.4 as appropriate. Add "authorization" clause. Editor to generate 1.1 "unapproved draft." Recommended Practice: Forth/FCode - new, Revision 1.0 UNAPPROVED DRAFT #322 -- to be continued; some discussion regarding line-end definition 11- Action Items Summary Old AIs: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | No.|Who |Description | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 1 |Ron H. |Check on TI licensing/royalty on NuBus that may | | | |provide a path to solve the patent issue. | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 2 |Editors of |Update document template and contents per discussion. | | |Recommended | | | |Practice | | | |documents | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 4 |David K. |Standard properties document. | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 5 |David K. |Report on 64-bit experimental work. | | |Mitch B. | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 6 |Ron H. |Work on "reg"/"assigned-addresses"/base address | | |David K. |registers in the PCI binding. | | |Greg | | | |Jordan B. | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 7 |Jordan B. |Work on names, unit-address... in ISA binding | | |Lilian W. | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 9 |Mitch B. |Work on tristatable bit | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 11 |Jordan B. |Reorganize discussion of probing in ISA binding | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 12 |Jordan B. |Suggest wording for IRQ 2 vs 9 | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 14 |Jordan B. |Edit sound stuff | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 15 |Ron H. |Update ranges properties and usage in PCI binding | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 17 |Ron H. |Prepare proposal for Code Page selection. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- New AIs: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | No.|Who |Description | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 18 |David K. |Clarify subcommittee feedback loop | | |John K. | | | |Bob C. | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 19 |David K. |Update status of remanded items & documents | | |John K. | | | |Bob C. | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 20 |Ron H. |Update Proposal #308 as amended | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 21 |Ron H. |Update Proposal #310 with new wording (talk to Tom | | | |Caron) | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 22 |Ron H. |Update PCI Binding 4.2.1 for non-relocatable PCI | | | |devices (see #323a above) | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 23 |Greg H. |recommended practice for output devices (e.g. VGA) | | | |talk to Mitch Bradley (see #323b above) | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 24 |Ron H. |talk to Mitch Bradley to clarify line-end for #322 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [ P1275 Item #329 -- Received: Fri Mar 22 14:19:41 PST 1996 ]