From: rtcoffin@austin.ibm.com (Coffin) Subject: Item #406: Minutes for OFWG January 1997 Meeting Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 09:44:55 -0600 P1275 Openboot Working Group Proposal -- Proposal #:406 Ver 1 Title: Minutes of January Open Firmware Working Group Meeting Author: Bob Coffin Date: January 13, 1997 Attached please find the minutes of our last meeting held January 13, 1997 at Salt Lake City, UT. Thanks to David Kahn/Sun Microsystems for making the arrangements and providing the 'goodies'and/or snacks for the meeting. Also please note that: (1) Our next meeting will be at the IBM in Austin, TX, on April 15, 1997 and (2) Check the "Action Item Summary" at the end of this note for your action items. Regards, Bob Coffin, Secretary, Open Firmware Working Group rtcoffin@austin.ibm.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1- Attendees (OFWG) ================= Mitch Bradley Firmworks 415-917-6984 wmb@firmworks.com Bob Coffin (Secretary) IBM 512-838-8240 rtcoffin@austin.ibm.com Ron Hochsprung Apple/ 408-974-2661 ron@apple.com System Arch Tracy Hullock Motorola 512-891-6905 Tracy_Hullock@risc.sps.mot.com RISC SW David Kahn Sun 415-786-6203 dmk@eng.sun.com Michael Milendorf Sun 508-442-0803 michael.milendorf@east.sun.com Bruce Rosenkrantz Motorola 602-438-3745 brosen@phx.mcd.mot.com First time attendees: Patrick Kandlbinder Firmworks 415-917-6989 patrick@firmworks.cpm Brian Strelioff Motorola 847-435-9813 strlioff@lig.mot.com Part time attendees: none 2- Review Agenda (OFWG) ===================== Quorum declared present (6 voting members of 9 members present) Proposed agenda (#401) was reviewed and approved with right of revision to the Vice Chair Revised by: - Action Item S14 was removed (closed at last meeting) - Action Item 29 was removed (closed by Proposal #370) - Standard Progress Report Section; Status on experimental compatibility work was closed by Proposal #370 and 32-bit mask. 3- Administrative/Procedural items ================================ The OFWG decided to have future meetings on a quarterly basis and to plan on potentially having one day meetings. The decision to have a one or two day meeting will occurr about a week in advance of the meeting and will depend on the amount of activities scheduled with regards to document reviews, new proposals and in general, Open Firmware business. 4- Last meeting minutes review ============================ Approved the minutes unanimously of the October 14, 1996 (#393) Meeting 5- Future Meetings ================ April 15 - 16, 1997 IBM Austin, TX Host/contact: Bob Coffin (rtcoffin@austin.ibm.com) (512-838-8240) July 15 - 16, 1997 Firmworks Mountain View, CA Host/contact: Greg Hill (gregh@firmworks.com) (415-917-6985) 6- Standard Progress Report ========================= David Kahn stated that the OFWG was prepared to drop IEEE approval/publish requests and to utilize the OFWG forum for publicly making information available; placing documents on 'playground.sun' and other mirroring server machines. A brief IEEE Document status follows: IEEE Document Activities - Status: --- Closed Activities -- 1275-1994: OF Core (Official IEEE Standard) 1275.1-1994: SPARC ISA (Official IEEE Standard) 1275.2-1994: SBus Bus Binding (Official IEEE Standard) 1275.4-1996: FutureBus+ (Official IEEE Standard) --- Open Activities --- p1275.3: Dropped (VME) at the Open Firmware Working Group (OFWG) request (PAR withdrawn). Any further work on this supplement will have to be provided by a champion. The OFWG has asked David Paktor (VME Champion) to provide an update by the next meeting. OWNER: David Paktor p1275.5 Dropped (68K Processor) at the OFWG request (PAR withdrawn). No work is being done on this activity until a person (68k champion) steps forth to do so. p1275.6/d5: 64 Bit Extensions - Plan is to drop requests for publishing as an IEEE document, but to continue as OFWG Document published on the web. OWNER: David Kahn 7- Action Items Review ==================== -2- Open -4- Open -11- Open -12- Open -27- Open -28- Open -29- Closed -30- Open -S2- Open -S4- Open -S5- Open -S8- Open -S15- Closed -S16- Open 8- Other Pending/Tabled items =========================== #250 (Email balloting procedure) -- open - skip 9- New Proposal Status summary ============================ #393 (Minutes) accepted as ammended - closed #394 (Typo - ISA binding) - withdrawn -- withdrawn by author; corrected in earlier binding version. #395 (Typo - PCI binding) - closed -- approved; include correction in PCI binding V2.1 #396 (Correct max-transfer example - SCSI (Appendix e)) - closed -- approved; publish as core errata with html addendum as additional item on the web. #397 (Auto String - DSE Network Device) - closed -- accepted as ammended; change wording for the "chosen-network-type" property to reflect what result value for 'speed' and 'duplex mode' was selected or negotiated for the adapter ('auto' string would not be in the result value of "chosen-network-type" property). Tech- nical editor to provide wording to include in new Device Support Extension-RP Version. #398 (Ping Command - TFTP Booting Extensions-RP) - closed -- accepted as ammended; put brackets around 'client-ip' for ping command definition and include [bootp] in the device arguments definition. Technical editor to include in new version of TFTP Booting Extension-RP. #399 (Map In/Out Clarification - PCI binding) - closed -- rejected; covered in definition of 'map-in', PCI binding (author agreed that item was already covered in PCI binding) #400 (Typo - PCI binding) - closed -- accepted; technical editor to include in new PCI binding #401 (Agenda) -- accepted as ammended; removed AI 29, S14, and 64-bit Extension Supplement experimental compatibility work status items #402 (Interrupt Mapping; #address_cells - Interrupt Mapping-RP) - closed -- accepted as ammended; Technical editor to update code that allows "#address-cells" to have a value of zero to indicate not to use unit-address for a case where a device can directly point to an interrupt controller via the "interrupt-parent" property and to also update an example. #403 (Opened by mistake; not really a proposal - withdrawn) #405 (Add vendor-id to "compatible" property - PCI binding) - closed [proposal 'dmk-01' at meeting] -- accepted; Technical editor to include in new PCI binding Version. 10- Document Reviews (including associated proposals, if any) ================ Generic Names, Version 1.4 --------------------------- Reviewed document; no proposed changes. Device Support Extensions-RP, Version 1.0 ------------------------------------------ Reviewed document; technical editor directed to remove part of sentence under Section 13., p18, l47, 'The "disk-label" standard support package and' and to correct noted document format errata. Technical editor directed to make changes and produce a new DSE-RP, Version 1.1, Approved Version. Technical editor directed to include Proposal #397, ammended, as described in Section 9- New Proposal Status summary and produce a new DSE-RP, Version 1.2, Unapproved Version. SCSI-3 Parallel Interface (SPI) binding, Version 1.0 ----------------------------------------------------- Directed technical editor to do a new version of SPI binding to include text in Section 3 that defines what SPI is (boiler plate) around p3, l29 about SPI is primarily protocols for mass storage devices; i.g., disks, tapes. 11- Action Items Summary ==================== Old AI's: ------- The following AI's are still open: 2,4,11,12,27,28,30 & S2,S4,S5,S8,S16 New AI's: -------- AI 31: Identified problem in SCSI-3 Parallel Interface binding step 7, sense key on p6, l20, with regards to media not being present (Also present in core document, Appendix E). Mitch Bradley to do proposal to correct problem. |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | No.|Who |Description | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 2 |Editors of |Update document template and contents per discussion. | | |Recommended | | | |Practice | | | |documents | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 4 |Greg H. |Standard properties document. | | |John H. | | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 11 |Jordan B. |Reorganize discussion of probing in ISA binding | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 12 |Jordan B. |Suggest wording for IRQ 2 vs 9 ISA binding | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 27 |Jordan B. |Propose replacement for #323b (withdrawn) | |--- |------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 28 |Ron H. |Make a proposal for PCI 'hot plug'. | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 30 |Jordan B. |Make a proposal for a registry for lists of supported | | | |things (e.g.. kybds, network types, etc.) | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 31 |Mitch B. |Make a proposal to correct SPI binding sense key | | | |(media not being present) | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| Subcommittee Action Items: |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S2 |Ron H. | Update and create v1.1 Forth and FCode Rec Practice | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S4 |Bob C. | Make "shared-bus-master" proposal | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S5 |Ron H. | Make "chording" proposal | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S8 |Mitch B. | Propose that debug facilities not be supported | | | | in real-mode. | |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S14|Jordan B. | Create a picture to explain sound device terminology.| |----|------------|------------------------------------------------------| | S16|Bob C. | Migrate PReP source to playground | | |Jordan B. | | |-----------------|------------------------------------------------------| +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [ P1275 Item #406 -- Received: Wed Jan 22 07:46:01 PST 1997 ]